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Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
On one hand you come bouncing outta the gait like a bull and apologize to Mayor Brown for bringing the misc resolution to cause an investigation into WHO released the ERI documentation to the News Herald and other the other hand you passively state in tonight's meeting that Lincoln Park's ERI documentatation was freely given to other cities and WE THE LP TAXPAYERS and RESIDENTS are stonewalled with a FOIA or pay $1.00 a copy. What is wrong with this picture???? Or better yet...... what is your major malfunction when it comes to keeping your bosses (WE THE TAXPAYERS) abreast of all the details? By the way just how IS the investigation coming along? Has it been determined who released the ERI documentation to the News Herald illegally? What is the status of Ed Zelenak's position because he did receive a copy of the ERI documenatation the very same nite (per Duchane) as the M/C on July 26th. I'm talking about the same Ed Zelenak who took the ERI and is now under contract with City of LP. You know the same EZ that received the unapproved by M/C ERI documentation before anyone else (other than M/C and Duchane) received. What is the status on these two issues Mr. I want the residents to know I am protecting our communty.
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
I don't think we'll ever hear any finalization/closure on this investigation. It has been "swept" under the carpet, where it will intentionally be forgotten about. It does not sit right in my mind that other cities have gotten this information; and, yet, those that pay the bills in LP have had to fight through the FOI--or now have to pay $1.00/page. There is indeed something wrong with this picture. (But, again, I don't ever think we will ever really know why this has played out as it has. And, why the change in their minds--because it is an election year, and this darn ERI issue won't go away?) |
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
Kandes is a political HO . He trys to look good to the people and suck up to mayor BROWSTAIN . He talks out of both sides of his mouth . Or as one resident put it ( quoting George Orwell ) Double speak . This is why I tell people he is no good . He is the worst councilman since Harry Klaft ( who walked out in the middle of his term) and the worst councilman of all time : Mark Kandes the WORST councilman ever . ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
I don't know if I'd call him the worst. But I certainly don't think he's the best, either. A little before my time: But I understand that Kandes was quite involved in council meetings when he was a resident. I heard that he was so upset with LP politics that he took a run for council...earning enough votes to make him Council President. Sometimes...often times...I can see that he has good intentions for the city. But I think he gets too wrapped in the politics of politics...which makes him less than favorable in my opinion. I think he does a good job listening to residents when they bring up concerns. I think his follow through on said concerns are decent. But I think when it comes to certain issues (like the ERI, for instance)...he tries to play the political game. In the process, he tramples over everything he tries to stand for. Above all, I think he tries too hard to emulate Mayor Brown...to the point where I get the impression that he does whatever Steve Brown does (or would do in his situation) instead of doing what Mark Kandes should do.
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
As I watch the council meetings and listen to the way in which he speaks, its as if the citizens are mere pulpers in his Kingdom. Thats the way he comes across to me. He is the one in the know, and we don't need to know. |
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
Again, I think he tries to hard to emulate Mayor Brown...because that's exactly the impression I get from the Mayor when he speaks. I may percieve it wrong...but it's how I see it. Perception becomes reality. |
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
I Don't like Brown . the names he is called on this site and calling Kamdes the worst. Is not right. If Murphy or Ms Brady were treated like that People would go Bananas.
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
I don't dislike Brown, and think Kandes is OK at times, but if someone has an opinion that differs from mine, they are free to express it. Some may think he is the best, and some the worst, so what? These public officials very often reap what they sew on this site. I've heard better and worst things said from a variety of citizens about Kandes and the others. While I may not totally agree with Jostle & RN222, I am interested in hearing their opinion whether I agree with it or not. |
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
They can all express their op[nion not using terms like Brownstain ,Political HO used by RN222 |
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
Just a question what is ERI I have not heard this before( live in a sound and site proof box)
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RMC2017: The ERI is the Early Retirement Incentive program that the M/C unanimously voted to approve. It effectively used the pension to buyout 69 of some of our most seasoned city employees...including police and fire. If you really want to learn about the mystery surrounding the ERI (and I think you really should), here is some information for you: This a post I made regarding some interesting data I was able to extract, using the figures that we are privy to:
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Someone then asked me if the data I extracted appears to be geared toward a specific type of employee. My response:
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Other Early Retirement Incentive buyout topics: Interesting ERI conversation: http://yourlincolnpark.com/LPSForum/showthread.php?t=2706&highlight=pension+multiplier ERI pension multiplier information: http://yourlincolnpark.com/LPSForum/showthread.php?t=2234&page=2&pp=10&highlight=pension+multiplier To read all topics regarding the ERI, click here: http://yourlincolnpark.com/lpsforum/forumdisplay.php?f=109 |
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
I don't think this was accidental just look who family has benefited form this the most and there was three of them. Even the timing was set to make sure all of them got the good bye sweet deal.
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
Exactly what I was thinking, THE EYE. Anyone who takes the time to read that, I welcome any questions seeking clarification. The numbers don't lie. The proprieters of the ERI program have made gathering information about it extremely difficult (hmmm I wonder why?!)...but I was able to gather enough data to make those discoveries. I wonder if they expected anyone to delve into it that deeply and crunch the numbers? And my offer still stands from several months ago: If anyone can get their hands on anymore financial figures regarding the pension and ERI...send it to me and I will work the numbers over. You can send them to me annonymously...I will not reveal the source. |
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FYI: I was able to use some resources to dig up the following information about our Police & Fire Pension:
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These figures are as of 1999 (the latest date of census collection.) Food for thought:
But we don't know for sure...because nobody will release these figures to us. What they will tell us, however, is that the pension is currently underfunded by approximately 20%. Perhaps this explains why they voted to change the investment objective of the pension a few months ago (right after the ERI was implemented)? Maybe they were trying to "recoup" some dollars in the plan as a result of the unexpected expenses? Disclosure: These figures are a result of my own personal findings and are not meant to be used for anything other than personal discussion purposes. I make no gaurantee as to the acuracy or validity of this information. Do you your own due dilligence and/or consult a tax/legal/financial professional before forming your own opinion. Last edited by Veritas Scriptor : 09-06-05 at 6:56 pm. Reason: Disclosure added |
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
I belive the employees could not exceed there maximum years of service for a full pension with the additional 5 years. For example,if employee A can retire at a full pension with 28 years and they had 25 years of service they would not get the credit of the full five years. They would recieve 3 years of it to max them out. The full five years of credit would only benefit employees who had 23 years of service. |
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Re: Councilman Kandes...why did you want the investigation into the release of the ERI
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Right. When you work backwards, 28 years of service (including the 5 year bonus) is the "maximum". I covered that in my previous dissertation. But here is what my question/concern is (bear with me while I talk it through):
Had you hired in just one year after the October 1987 cutoff, not only would you have to be age 55 (or older) to participate, but your multiplier would have dropped to 2.3%; thus lowering your annuity payments by a staggering 21% per year. The only time I can come up with 64.4% is for an employee hired between January and October of 1987...that's when their pension calculation hit 64.4% of thier Final Average Compensation (FAC). Except in this case, it doesn't even matter, because they are subject to the higher 78.4% cap. To sum all this up, there is absolutely no point in placing a 64.4% cap on employees hired after October of 1987. They would have to retire in the year 2010 or beyond in order to hit the cap. No matter how you look at it, the 64.4% figure is moot. Either it's an error...or it's a smoke and mirrors attempt at portraying something that doesn't (because it mathematically cannot) exist. Something doesn't seem right about it. That's just me, your opinions may differ. |
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