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A Question for Council Candidate Michael Lemuel:


On the True Blue website, you are quoted as saying the following:

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I am concerned with public safety. The early retirement incentive program has supposedly saved our city money but it has left us unsure about the safety of our families. This should not be a burden we shoulder. I would strive to develop a set of public safety services that make all our families secure in their homes. Let’s set standards in Lincoln Park that promote public safety and crime prevention.


In light of your strong concerns, would you be in favor of passing an ordinance which states:

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Code of Ordinances & Gun Law

Sec. #___ Heads of households to maintain firearms.

(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the City, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the City limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.

(b) Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability, which would prohibit them from using such a firearm.

(c) Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.


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Re: A Question for Council Candidate Michael Lemuel:


I'm not trying to nitpick you or anything, RA...but are you serious about this question?

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Re: A Question for Council Candidate Michael Lemuel:


VS: You've never heard the man who sometimes goes to the council meetings with this same idea? He always talks about a particular town in some other state that requires its residents to carry guns. This topic has been raised before, but generally goes no where.


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I haven't heard of this man, no.


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Re: A Question for Council Candidate Michael Lemuel:


Ya. He comes up a few times a year. I've heard his rant before. He's a real elderly man and wants everyone to be forced to own a gun. He says the crime in whatever town that does that is pretty much nonexistant. Everyone usually just lets him talk cuz they know what he is going to say, nod when he's done and then he sits back down.


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Re: A Question for Council Candidate Michael Lemuel:


I've heard it Wolverine. What a joke.

I am all for gun owners rights, but to make it manditory makes about as much sense as forcing everyone to dring whiskey and smoke cigarettes.


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Re: A Question for Council Candidate Michael Lemuel:


yeah I've heard him too, and whenever I see him go up to the podium I just think "here we go again." I'm glad they let him talk though I think he's just a harmless old gentleman that wants to be heard and no-one really puts much stock in what he says


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I'm not trying to nitpick you or anything, RA...but are you serious about this question?
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He always talks about a particular town in some other state that requires its residents to carry guns.
This ordinance does not require anyone to carry a gun. The particular city that started this is Kennesaw, Georgia.


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I've heard his rant before.
What makes it a "rant" in your opinion?

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He's a real elderly man and wants everyone to be forced to own a gun.
If he is proposing an ordinance very close to the one I proposed above, then NO, he does not want "everyone to be forced to own a gun." Have your READ the proposed ordinance?

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He says the crime in whatever town that does that is pretty much nonexistant.

I don't know about "nonexistant." But you can look it up for yourself. Here is one article on the subject:

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GUN OWNERSHIP MANDATORY IN KENNESAW, GEORGIA

Crime Rate Plummets - Why Doesn't The Media Visit Kennesaw? "The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997).

After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998.

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you?

The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence. The facts tell a different story.

What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.

source: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38a75857671c.htm

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Everyone usually just lets him talk cuz they know what he is going to say, nod when he's done and then he sits back down.
Typical Mayor/Council; not listening to the tax payers! That's nothing new.


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I've heard it Wolverine. What a joke.

I am all for gun owners rights, but to make it manditory makes about as much sense as forcing everyone to dring whiskey and smoke cigarettes.
A joke? Doesn't make sense? What do you base these well-thought opinions upon, may I ask?


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... I think he's just a harmless old gentleman that wants to be heard and no-one really puts much stock in what he says
That speaks volumes.


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Hello...

Anyone home?

No more comments?

Speechless, eh?


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Re: A Question for Council Candidate Michael Lemuel:


Maybe I am missing something. I read the ordinance as...

"Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes."

Yes, Rubberarm, I think this is pretty ridiculous. You are a big "Rights" guy, so I would think you oppose seat belt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, and manditory gun ownership laws.

Perhaps I used a poor analogy with the booze and cigarettes. How about this one, would you support a local ordinance that required all homes to have caged bars over all windows and doors?


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Maybe I am missing something. I read the ordinance as...

"Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes."

Yes, Rubberarm, I think this is pretty ridiculous. You are a big "Rights" guy, so I would think you oppose seat belt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, and manditory gun ownership laws.

Perhaps I used a poor analogy with the booze and cigarettes. How about this one, would you support a local ordinance that required all homes to have caged bars over all windows and doors?
Did you even read sections (b) and (c)?


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Re: A Question for Council Candidate Michael Lemuel:


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Did you even read sections (b) and (c)?


Yes, I understand these...

(b) Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability, which would prohibit them from using such a firearm.

(c) Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.


But then what is the point? If all you have to say is "I conscientiously oppose", or "it is against my religion", then anyone can get out of it without much trouble at all.

I am looking at it from my standpoint. I am a big supporter of gun owners rights, and have belonged to the NRA off and on through the years. I have a shotgun and a rifle in my house, so I do not conscientiously oppose firearms. But what is next, they will tell me it has to be a pistol, so then I have to go and purchase one.

And here is a side note: I consider myself responsible enough to own a gun, but quite frankly, I know some people that are not responsible to own one or keep it in the house. I am not saying I am against their rights, but why should we encourage these people that might never think to go and get a gun. Personally I think the system is fine just how it is, if you want a gun to protect your family and your property or for sport, then go get one. If you don't want one, then forget it.


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Re: A Question for Council Candidate Michael Lemuel:


I own several firearms, from pistols to rifles to shotguns to black powder. If someone wants to own a pistol so be it, I, in my opinion, don't feel it should be thrust upon them as being required.

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After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982.

And it has stayed impressively low.
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The point is that even though anyone and everyone can opt out of maintaining a firearm in their home, the criminals would know that firearm ownership is encouraged in this community. Then, perhaps, they would go elsewhere for easier pickings:

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What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed. The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish.
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Those stats are very persuasive. I can say this, if they ever adopted that ordinance in a neighboring city, LP would need to do the same immediately. I'd bet that crime increased in the neighboring cities.

Could you imagine if Detroit ever did this?


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