During a meeting last month, Duchane and Gary were instructed to obtain bids for both asphalt overlay and for cement replacement.

The only bid obtained was for the asphalt overlay and I didn't catch that bid amount but will post it once I find it.

Murphy states that he cannot supported the road millage renewal because we will be using the asphalt overlay which will not last.

Disanto and Brown state that though it may not last, there are roads in desperate need of repair.

Murphy states that we are throwing taxpayer money away with the asphalt overlay as it is only a temporary fix.

Vote to proceed with asphalt overlay passed. 6 -1

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if asphalt lasts with no problems in ohio, why wont it in mi.

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theBean (09-07-05)

Our roads program in AP had a combination of asphalt and concrete depending on the condition of the road. Asphalt can last for up to 20 years if maintained properly. Concrete will last longer, but I would not call asphalt a bandaid. Poorly maintained concrete will crumble too. Fixing roads is not enough they must be regularly maintained. Then and only then will the repairs be a noticeable improvement.

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TheGirlNextDoor (09-07-05), Rocky (09-07-05)

The problem with an ashpalt overlay isnt the ashphalt itself. It's the infrastructure beneath it. Asphalt can last but it does no good when the sewer lines underneath it are in bad shape and collapse

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TheGirlNextDoor (09-07-05)

Exactly! Which is why it's silly to do a complete concrete reconstruction, which costs more. Until you can fix the infrastructure underneath, there's no use spending tons of money pouring concrete on top of the road.

People realize right that when there's a water main break, the road sometimes has to be torn completely up to get to the pipes underneath the road. Until the city has enough to fix all of those aging pipes, it's just throwing bad money after bad money to continue to do reconstructions.

Cap the road, fix the problem and then when you have to tear it open when anothe problem exists, you aren't ruining quite as much money.

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TheGirlNextDoor (09-07-05)

That happened about 10 years ago (God...has it been that long!?) on Southfield Road near Dix. They just repaved the road...and a few months later had to tear it up to fix a water main. What a mess that was...and a huge waste of money.

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TheGirlNextDoor (09-07-05)

City wasting money? Unheard of.

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By using ashphalt, more roads can be done, we need this despirately. I agree with buckeyebill, Ohio roads are ashphalt. Drive down to Ohio, once you hit that Ohio border the roads are nice and smooth. I'm tired of traveling these roads, we'd be better off with dirt.

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The same thing with painting your walls. You wouldn't paint over chipping paint, would you? The surface while new and smooth is only as good as the base underneath. If it's cracked, once the freeze hits, it will crack too.

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TheGirlNextDoor (09-07-05)

Allen Park had a lawsuit filed against them from a company that was doing work on our sewer systems. The complaint said that the blueprints given to them was completely different than what was actually under the roads. According to the complaint, the company advised the City, revised the work, then when the bill came in, the City balked at the new price and would not pay. Thus, the lawsuit.

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I think that it is alright to do asphalt as long as we are putting it on roads with a good base.


Duchane said last night that we need to coordinate sewer and water repairs with new road construction and I agree.

But let's put asphalt down on all of the roads that have a good base and do not have water and sewer problems. We can get a lot done for less money and I am sure that whether my road is asphalt or cement I will be happy to have a smooth road.

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If you coordinate sewer and water repairs with new road construction then I'm sure you will get a positive response. Otherwise, it's like Robbie said about the paint job.

Is Duchane promising sewer work along with the road work? I hope it's in writing.

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Ciccote was done with ashphalt over 10 years ago, Fort to Marion Only 1 problem .the kids use it to skateboard on . it's smoother than concrete and no cracks and seams like concrete. They become a traffic hazard. with the skateboards..

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, imagine that, a road surface in LP that's too smooth.

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Let's sell the M/C skate boards. Call them RSC METERS ,road surface and continuity Meters. Start the bidding at $5,000 a piece. They could hire 16 year olds to operate them for $6.00 an hour

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Is it possible to use cement where you know for sure the Sewers, and water rmains are good, and if the area is ify use the Ashphalt??

Could Dps use camera equipment or something to inspect the lines??

I don't know if this is DPS work or not, maybe one of the DPS guys or Mrs. Brady could tell us.

Rocky

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Cameras would be very costly. There was a crew by my work in Detroit about a year ago. I asked what they saw and the guy told me, "you don't want to know".

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In AP we have camera inspections of water mains and sewers. It has been going on for a while now.

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Yes, and I don't remember it being a big cost issue. The citizens can have theirs checked for free, I believe.

My brother-in-law is a Supervisor in the concrete business. I asked him about this issue and he said asphalt was good if you're using a REAL GOOD base. Otherwise, because the cement underneath has rust, without the base it's a waste of monies.

I'm no expert, just asked a professional's opinion for the members to debate about.

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I agree with Mr. MUrphy. We should be cementing all roads. Especially Fort Park. The north end of Fort Park looks beautiful cemented. The other side will look stupid asphalted. I totally agree with Murphy on his position to cement vs. asphalt roads.

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Robbie (09-07-05)