I recieved several private messages regarding a topic that one of our council candidates and incumbant Councilman Tom Murphy responded to.

This is the topic: http://yourlincolnpark.com/lpsf...46&postcount=52

In that topic, the Councilman Murphy stated that when people attack using an alias, that they lacked courage, etc. etc. (I am condensing the post into a few words)

PLEASE everyone read the revised Terms of Use ... I added a few additional conditions to follow as it relates to our local elections.

The terms of use can be found in the New to our Forums; as the first topic in every forum (see Announcements about the topics), Here, and under FAQ Section.

While I understand what Councilman Murphy is saying in the above post I must disagree that people must provide their real name in order to particpitate in conversations on these forums to be taken seriously.

Far too often and of which I can prove cuz it's happened to me....there is retailiation that occurs in this city. People are genuinely concerned that if they provide their real identity, that they could face some form of retailition. This is a fact!

While Councilman Murphy needs to respect the privildges of anonymity on this site, we as participants here should also understand that when Councilman Murphy (or any other candidate, city leader or city worker) is under fire they are concerned if the complaint or issue is legitimate, character assassination, or a political tactic.

Character assassination or Politicial tactic you say? Well of course.....do we really believe that none of our members are here just for their own, or their candidates, political agendas e.g. discredit of other members etc.?

Remember, "some" city leaders and city workers really dislike this site so much that they have publicly downed, called us names, tried to hurt our business income, told other city workers they could not use this site, etc. etc.

Do you really believe that all of the city leaders do not frequent this site? Some look at the forums everyday but never post (unless they too are using an alias which we would never know) (I know this because they have said so to me), some have people print off the topics (I know this because they have told me); and we already know that at least three our current Councilpersons DO post regularly.

Where else can you get the opportunity to talk to your city leaders on a every day basis?
This is a rarity in any community.

Embrace our city leaders.....talk to them as you would want to be talked to. If you are disrespectful or demeaning to them, how would you expect them to react? Remember: They are people just like you and I.

We have the terms of use aka board rules in place to help guide us in our communication with one another on here.

Ask yourself this: Would you frequent anywhere wherein you were constantly demeaned or spoken to disrespectfully?

Please remember that our city leaders come to these forums because they CARE; because they want our community to be the best that it can be and they UNDERSTAND that they need us more than we need them.

They cannot do this job all by themselves...they come here to find out what it is that our community really wants; what our ideas are; what we would like to see done; etc. etc.

Remember...at least 4 our our council/treasurer candidates have participated on these very forums for at minimum that last 2 years.

Why would they do that if they didn't care or want to know what we thought and what our ideas were?

Remember.... that at least these same four council/treasurer candidates have put themselves in the line of fire with us....and they still answer our concerns. Why is that?

So when you are posting about a concern or idea or issue with one of our candidates, remember...... they don't have to be here...they don't have to be targets....but they do....
WHY? Oh, is it because they want to be re-elected?

C'mon. If that were the case.....then why have they been here for at least the last two years consistenly chatting with us about issues and ideas for our community?

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I still agree with Murphy, especially if your only intent on here is to slam other... stand up be a man or woman.

Rocky

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TheGirlNextDoor (08-22-05)

I use my real name.

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I can't say I agree with that 100%, Rocky.

If a private resident is going to personally attack another private resident, then I would expect to see them identify eachother. But since does not condone such personal attacks, it's a moot point.

As a politician, you really have to be tenacious and expect some to be disliked by some people. That's just politics...you're not always going to rub everyone the right way. I think it is unfair to ask a private resident to identify who they are when they express disatisfaction in a politician. If the attack is personal in nature, that's a different story. But once again, does not condone this behavior.

Politicians are always being attacked one way or another. Sometimes it comes in the form of votes...as in fewer people voting for them. Is it fair to ask those who did not vote for a certain politician to disclose their identities and admit that they didn't vote for said politician?

Then there is the side of the equation where some residents may feel that disclosing their identities would not be in their best interest. We have already seen examples of retalitory behaviors exhibited by some members of the council...why would any resident or city employee want to bring that headache upon themselves?

I say: If you choose to disclose your identity, more power to you. It lets the world know that you really stand behind what you believe. It lets the world know that you are who you are...that there are no secrets or gimmicks being employed. But I also say, if you want to remain anonymous...that's your perogative. But there will always be those who question the motives of an anonymous person. You have to take the good with the bad.

Edited to Add:

I do not make an attempt at hiding my identity here. I choose not to use my real name on here for security purposes only. "Veritas Scriptor" has long been an alias I've used on a wide array of internet media...so I chose to continue its use here at . My real name has been used in posts, my familial relationship to Robin is no secret, and my picture is freely displayed on every post I make...I have no qualms over these things. I just don't want someone to be able to input my real name in a Google search engine and pull up a string of data.

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I understand and support the need for anonymous posting, I for one can not afford to be harrassed by disgruntled city officall.

Example I speak out against the wigget tax that councilperson A is proposing, my agrument if valid yet taken as an attack of councilpersonA's agenda, he in turn contacts his friend in the lincoln park pride program, and they ticket my home for me leaving my lawn rake in the front yard. Then he calls the building inspector who then comes out and tickets me for having a broken window. Then as councilperson A is still not satisfied he calls and make a distrubance complaint about my dog barking at night.
Had I been able to speak my mind about the wigget tax and not be attacked by the person or group that presented the tax I would be a happy person having done my civic duty in speaking for and or against the propsed tax against wiggets

I purposly did not use names or real items so no one person place or thing can be offended.

So in short I support the amoninty of this site, providing a voice to those who normally would not speak out for fear of speaking in public.

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Veritas Scriptor (08-22-05), Mayday (08-22-05), TheGirlNextDoor (08-22-05), Bonehead (08-22-05)

Robin,
You and your moderators have allowed some of your regular posters to write very demeaning comments about the politicians they (and you) do not like. For example, Primo recently called Vaslo a scumbag. Why is that kind of speech tolerated?

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Yes you do Robbie, and I have much respect for you doing so. I do understand some people case, my problem is with anyone slamming someone else, only a coward attacks without identifying themselves. Most of the people I read he voice opions good or bad, its the people slamming others that bothers me. I have said this a dozen times, I can't beleive that many people have that much more to lose then I do if the **** the wrong person off at City Hall.


Rocky

P.S to V.S have you ever been able to express yourself in 200 words or less. :-)

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Rmc2017, I am a prime example of what happens to a person who speaks out against a city official. In general, I understand your point. The problem is that a detailed argument without knowing the source lacks credibility (for me, anyway).

I openly gave my identity when the issue being debated needed credibility. Otherwise, I was comfortable being anonymous.

In other words, I felt the need to stand up to the plate. I think it's an invidual choice.

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