Originally posted by Flash on 06.14.04

Are the wheels starting to come off Mayor Brown's cart?? He is really getting rattled during debates with Councilman Murphy. He never looks at Councilman Murphy when debating. He looks at his deskpad. He looks up through his eyebrows, but NEVER makes eye contact or looks in the direction of Councilman Murphy.

I do not believe Mayor Brown is used to a lively debate. I think he is used to being surrounded by his yes men. He is used to people agreeing with everything he says. It throws him for a loop when someone disagrees with him. It really throws him for a loop when someone continues to disagree with him and make good points when doing so.

Tonight Mayor Brown was really rattled. His voice cracked on more than one occasion. I think his days as mayor are coming to an end. It is no longer fun for him.

If DiSanto would be able to express his thoughts more coherently I believe the mayor would end up resigning before his term was up.

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And what is the deal with Brown saying he would vote yes if the fireworks amendment was only for 2004 and not through Sept 2005? The point is these businesspeople have all but lost this year, so 2005 will be the only full season. If Brown doesn't believe firework season has started, he is welcome to come sit in my backyard any given night, he could have since Memorial Day and heard or seen quite a show!

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jeyhey wrote:
And what is the deal with Brown saying he would vote yes if the fireworks amendment was only for 2004 and not through Sept 2005? The point is these businesspeople have all but lost this year, so 2005 will be the only full season. If Brown doesn't believe firework season has started, he is welcome to come sit in my backyard any given night, he could have since Memorial Day and heard or seen quite a show!

Jeyhey, you are right about this, and one thing I'd also like to add is that in order to plan properly for next year, they kinda have to depend on next year being the same. Those installations and/or moving your buisness to a standalone building will take THAT LONG to prepare for. They will need to start looking for systems, or buildings (depending on what thier plan is) or will have to reconsider thier pricing, expenses, employee base, etc etc in order to get through after the change takes place.

Prices are gauged to cover expenses. Going over thier Financial data, coming up with a future forecast and devising a NEW business plan ALONE would take up considerable time. Giving them this season and next to make those financial preparations is due diligence on our cities part.

Point two...I don't really appreciate the vibe I was getting from some of them that insinuated that the businesses must not know what they're doing if one season of fireworks sales is that detrimental to thier business.

But, it sounds like Murhpy likes our idea of getting businesses together with a council rep and some other entity that can hold brainstorming sessions and incorporate some of our other ideas from the Our Recommendation to Mayor & Council Thread, so I am optimistic.

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If Murphy was against amending the Fireworks resolution, then Brown would be in favor.

Brown is forgetting he is mayor. Spends too much time wanting to debate Murphy. Makes his look foolish. Brown has to learn he is the mayor and let the others have their say. Brown doesn't have to fight EVERY fight. He doesn't have to ALWAYS have the last word.

Brown is falling into the Sochocki trap that he himself laid. Steve, time to get back on track. Remember how to toppled Sochocki. If you don't watch out, history will repeat itself.

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DonDiego wrote:
If Murphy was against amending the Fireworks resolution, then Brown would be in favor.

Brown is forgetting he is mayor. Spends too much time wanting to debate Murphy. Makes his look foolish. Brown has to learn he is the mayor and let the others have their say. Brown doesn't have to fight EVERY fight. He doesn't have to ALWAYS have the last word.

Brown is falling into the Sochocki trap that he himself laid. Steve, time to get back on track. Remember how to toppled Sochocki. If you don't watch out, history will repeat itself.







I am so sick of this crap with him. I mean let's get real! While some of the council and Mayor are playing games OUR CITY IS IN TROUBLE! Our Business Owners our Residents ARE IN THE SAME BOAT!

I say if Brown and the "brown camp" want to play games.....play games with your own pocketbooks and get the heck outta our council seats.

We will find people who don't play these pointless, time consuming, negative games and who want to get our city on track again.

PS: I have fired employees who did less than this crapola! It's non productive, cost increasing, tearing down the team mentality.

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The Flash wrote:
If DiSanto would be able to express his thoughts more coherently I believe the mayor would end up resigning before his term was up.







I take exception to that. For the past couple of years Councilman Mario DiSanto has been the only one with the courage to stand up to Mayor Brown. If it was not for Councilman DiSanto showing him the way, I don't think Murphy would have ever spoken up. He sure was quiet when he was first put on the council. But watching Mario work gave Murphy some guts.

Mario was all over Brown tonight. Chewed him up.

Now Brown is getting hit from two sides at the council. Brown so badly wants to end the meetings by 9am. But with Councilman Mario DiSanto and Murphy questioning resolutions, Brown has to sit and wait.

I agree, the wheels are starting to come off Brown's cart. And I am proud to say that Councilman Mario DiSanto is pulling the cotter pins.

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The only issue I have with understanding DiSanto is when he talks too fast. My Grandmother was from Italy and she had an accent as strong as DiSantos but boy when she starting talking fast.. FERGET IT... I couldn't understand a word. When he slows down I can understand him clearly.

DiSanto deserves credit- He is actively promoting the depts he is Liaison too (and has the past three weeks); He is questioning the changes made to resolutions and bids that council (not all as some are on the inside track) receives too late; he genuinely cares for the community.

I think that he should be given credit for recognizing that community had/has issues with him and he is taking steps to correct them.

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I also think that Brown has to get up pretty early in the morning to try and best Murphy....

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I know what you mean about understanding Disanto, my wife last night was listening to his comments and she said she thought he said "bald meatball" over and over. I wasn't paying attention.

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Originally posted by DonDiego on 05.11.04

On Monday the Council amended the ordinance regarding fireworks. It was at the request of the Fire Department.

It shall be illegal to seel or use any fireworks at automovile service stations, gasoline service stations or automotive repair garages. All fireworks wich are allowed for sale pursuant per Section 2701.01 shall only be sold in a single tenant permanent structure with a fully operational sprinkler system which has been installed and tested according to teh provisions of NFPA 13.

Once passed, a local businessman voiced his opposition to the "sprinkler system" section. Apparently he sells fireworks from his candle shop and feels the city is infringing upon his profits.

He says the Cruise has a devestating affect upon his business (one day?) and he needs the Fireworks business to break even.

Everyone has a right to express their opinion, but I could do without the fireworks in my neighborhood. Around the 4th of July its like living in Bagdad.

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I'm glad my next door neighbor moved to Indiana. He used to use M80s and nothing else.

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I'am posting this on behalf of the businessman, his name is Rocky Pasiwk his number is 389-5464.

He was the one complaining about the new ordance which doesn't have to be inforced.

As far as him loosing money on the cruise, boy it sure is easy for you guys to hide behind a computer screen and say that loosing an average of 1,200.00 for one day is nothing!!! You must have some deep pockets.



The following is his exact words, "Get out from behind the computer screen get off you butts come in and talk to him face to face, maybe you can learn a little something about how this city does its business owners"



Oh and by the way, the fire works he sells are Michigan legal's they do not leave the ground and they do not explod!!! They are fountains, sparklers and such.

I am curious if you will spend the time to go talk to this guy!!!!!!!!

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I agree with this business owner. 100%.... He is selling legally defined fire works and I don't think sparklers or other ground fire works need this expensive sprinkler system. I assume this business owner has the required fire extinguishers and does not allow anyone to smoke in the building which to me is what the fire hazard is.

I also assume his entire shop is not riddled with only fireworks....so frankly, I don't understand this requirement.

I also agree that several business owners may not make much $$ during events like the cruise but I also think that we as a city should embrace those business owners and help them by maybe offering them cruise shirts, etc. at a reduced price so that these business owners can sell these items and be part of the cruise.

My budgeted two cents.

PS: I don't buy fireworks EVER for my family to fire on 4th of July. Sparklees are ok but anything else I feel is a danger to people, homes, pets, etc. and far too often people setting them off don't give a hoot about where they set this stuff off or where it lands.

PSS: I also wanted to add that if this is an attempt to stop the sale of fireworks in our city...let's get real. People who want fireworks will go and spend their money in neighboring cities and bring them back home to Lincoln Park.

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Robin!!!



Always the voice of reason



Brains, beauty, and class.................. You remind me of myself only without the brains beauty and class!!!!!

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Yep that's him. I buy my pool and spa chemicals from him, and the wife spends far too much money there on candles!!!!!

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Givingup I think i know the owner of the buisness if it is leisure king, He is totally Awesome and i dont buy my pool supplies from anyone else! I can certainly agree that it must hurt his buisness i know i usually shop on saturdays for everything,and if i need something on that day i know just to go up fort park to get where i have to go, hopefully with the cruise being better then ever this year most of the buisness's in lincolnpark will get some more exposure and maybe some new customers.

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I know of him and spoke with him on a number of occasions, yes, face to face and it's alway's the same thing, business is not good. The last time I spoke with him, he said he may have to get back into I think it was logistics until the business really takes off. The reason I think business isn't so good is that you have how many pool shops up and down Fort between Southfield and Eureka, 3 or 4? Not to sound critical, but that's the way I see it. Okay, you can flame me now.

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Another thing, If it hurts his business so much for that one day, why not post a sign out in front that says Closed Saturday and Open Sunday? The cruise will happen so why not try to make the best of it.

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You know Robbie we had the conversation once before!!

First I will grant you this, it is always hard to get a businessman to say he is making money hand over fist!! I remember months ago you said the samething about him going back to his old job. I think if you went in their and talked to him know things have change.

However it still doesn't change the fact that this one day event cost him and others a conciderable amount of money, and now they are taking yet another form of income away from him, when is enough enough.

You always say use the cruise to your advantage, well a few years go he tried and the Microwave bandit put the cobash on that!!! made some B.S up about him having naked girls in a hot tub out front, give me a break!!!!!! Yea he was really going to do that with his wife and kids there. Just becuase he had that mentality doesn't mean everyone else does

It is my understanding that he is going to try to do something really nice this year, if the yahoos let him!!

And Robbie, I would like you to give me a staight no B.S. ansewer no dancing around the question its just yes or no.

If your boss was to come up to you this week and say oh by the way Iam taking your next weeks pay away from you, and there is nothing you can do about it. Would you think that is fair, Yes or No???

For the most part this is what the lovely city of Lincoln Park, has just done once again to him!!

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I find it difficult to believe a business owner cannot find a way to take advantage of thousands of potential customers in front of his shop.

Will it hurt him for the one day? Probably. I don't dispute that.

But how many people out there are not even aware of his business. A little business savvy could certainly help this situation.

I think the "sprinkler" ordinance should have been put into affect a long time ago. Why should his neighbors be placed in a dangerous situation because he wants to sell fireworks? Any idea how quickly that place would go up should it catch a spark? And selling candles next to fireworks tells me there is certainly a potential to catch a spark.

BTW: I've talked to Rocky on plenty of occasions throughout the years.

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